Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Do you still get FF miles for overseas flights?

I was recently told by AA that I will not get any Frequent Flyer miles for my recent trip to Paris. They say that because the ticket was type ‘Q’ that it did not quality for miles. The round trip from St. Louis to Paris (via Chicago) was $954—they are calling this a ‘deep discount! I would consider it a reasonable, but not a cheap fare.





The first person I talked to at AA said that I ‘practically went to Europe for free’. In order for that to happen, the leg from St. Louis to Chicago would have to cost several times more than the leg from Chicago to Paris. He would not give me the dollar amount distribution, but I doubt that lots of Chicagoans are going to Paris ‘practically for free’.





The second time I called, the agent said that I must have gotten the ticket through Expedia (or similar). I told her no, the travel agent booked it for me. Then she said it must have been through a consolidator. I later checked my Visa bill and the merchant is clearly AMERICANAIRxxxxxxx.





When I called back the third time to tell them about the billing name, they still insisted that it was a consolidator. At one time she told me that if I had booked it online myself instead of using the travel agent, I would have received the miles. This was a package through AA Vacations and included the hotel charge for $681, also billed as AMERICANAIRxxxxxxx. The agent tried to tell me that $681 was what the agent paid for the ticket (which makes no sense that I would be billed for air twice). She seemed to be making up answers to get me off the phone. When I asked to speak to a supervisor, she told me it wouldn’t do any good.





After getting all the facts I could, I asked the travel agent about it. She said she had never heard of anything like that before. They have changed the rules as to which fare will earn miles, but she was not informed of that at booking time.





I believe in playing by the rules, but spending over $1600 with AA and not getting credited with one single mile seem stingy to me.





Did anyone else not receive their FF miles as expected?




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A %26quot;Q%26quot; fare is deeply discounted. I know that I am paying around $900 on AF (partner Delta) and am not getting miles.





FF miles are geared towards business travelers who are paying around $2500 for the same trip. We get (not much) for what we pay (not much).




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We flew to France on AA in May for about $850 per ticket (booked on line) and got mileage. I think you certainly should talk to a supervisor. If you are Gold or Platinum, call and talk to their people as they generally know a lot more. I don%26#39;t know what ticket classes do or don%26#39;t qualify, but that%26#39;s not a %26quot;cheap%26quot; ticket, IMO. Since the person you talked to was obviously making it up as she went along, I would keep going up the food chain.




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It would seem that you are getting the run-around, but I doubt you will get the resolution you want.





Irrespective of the price you pay, the number of FF miles/points you earn will depend on the fare bucket the ticket you purchased falls into. If this %26#39;Q%26#39; bucket awards no miles/points I very much doubt the airline would give them to you.





Mez




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Write them a (polite) letter. Do not call them and clearly lay out the facts and attach copies of anything you have and you will probably get your miles.




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Polite, well documented letters to the CEO do work!



Direct your letter to the chairman (name and corporate address can be obtained online). Explain your problem concisely; include date of purchase %26amp; method of purchase, type of billing, dates (if possible) of calls made to AA customer service and point out lack of knowledge vs. assumption of facts and especially report the fact that a CS agent was reluctant to connect you with a supervisor.



Also, include the fact that you are a loyal AA customer. State that at no time were you made aware you would not receive FF miles.



Clearly state what you want the CEO to do to make you happy...award FF miles.



Keep your letter short, factual, polite and goal orientated.




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If it%26#39;s %26quot;Q%26quot; fare, it%26#39;s Q fare, regardless of how much or little you paid. This is printed on the ticket%26#39;s %26quot;Fare Basis%26quot; box, first letter. FF rules are clearly stated. Of course it only costs you a stamp for a nice letter to the CEO.




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On AA.COM it states that Q class to Europe does not qualify for FQTV. I found it under AAdvantage page, then under %26quot;partner %26amp; mileage program%26quot;, then under %26quot;airline%26quot; and finally under %26quot;American %26amp; American Eagle%26quot;. Hope this help. they say a Q is a %26quot;deep discount%26quot;?!?!?!?




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the idea that $900 is deep discount is absurd





I have gone out of my way to fly AA -- guess no more if they are going to start disallowing FF miles when I get a good deal.





the last tiny scrap of brand loyalty has just evaporated




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Grace, I think the days of exercising brand loyalty in the hopes of actually getting something in return were over years ago. I have (collectively) 310,000 miles that I%26#39;m burning as fast as I can because I have no faith that they%26#39;ll have any value in the coming months/years.




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This is soooo wrong since I bought my husband%26#39;s ticket for our trip next March online through AA and it%26#39;s in class %26quot;S%26quot; but we only paid $717 for it. I guess because it wasn%26#39;t through a travel agent (namely AA vacations) he gets the miles and you don%26#39;t. I%26#39;m glad I looked and I%26#39;m glad we%26#39;re fine but I sure wish I had know to look out for this beforehand.

Lace Curtains

We just spent the last 3 weeks in Southwest France, Dordogne region and loved the lace curtains we saw everywhere.





Could we find a store that sold them? Of course not!





Anyone have any ideas now that we are home as to who has a good selection back in France or on the web?





Thanks!






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Probably find they were made in China or India.................





Do you mean white lace (a la England) or the dayglo nylon %26quot;lace%26quot; stuff? If it%26#39;s the latter, you buy them in hardware stores. Probably also the former, come to think of it.





No idea where you get it online tho




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Lace is dentelle in French. I just googled %26quot;dentelle vente%26quot; and came up with





http://www.dentelledupuy.fr/us/index.php







Check it out to see if it is what you want




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Tour guide for the Louvre museum/ Versaille possible???

Hi! My husband and I are going to Paris for 3 1/2 days. I was debating on a tour guide for the Louvre. Someone recommended a woman who is 180 E for 3 hours and said she is wonderful. My husband is not much of a reader/long audio kind of person. Any suggestions??? He is not a huge museum fan...meaning he does not last long. It is HIS b-day present. Obviously $$ is a factor.





Also, should we do Versailles with so little time??





We are planning to do:



Louvre



musee d%26#39;orasay



eiffel tower



notre dame



versaille??



arc d%26#39;triomphe




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See if you can book Michael at Parisfind@aol.com. He is an expert on the Louvre, D. Orsay and Paris in general and is not near as expensive as you indicate on your 3 hour person. We have used him on several trips and so have our children. He is an American artist who has lived in Paris for several years.




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You can find many tour guides for 100 Euros per party.



Email LPennin104@aol.com or bpj0000@yahoo.com.



Both of them are true Paris lovers who can show you a museum inside out!




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Hi - I just replied to this and don%26#39;t see it posted but if it is, then ignore this. IMHO I don%26#39;t think 180 Euros for a private tour of the Louvre for 3 hours (for 2 of you) is expensive at all, especially if this person comes to you recommended. When you compare that (180 Euros) to what others charge like Paris Walks -- considered the least expensive tours in town at 10 Euros a head for large groups -- but even they charge 160 Euros for a private Louvre tour for only 2 hours - it%26#39;s not bad at all. Even Paris Muse charges 95 Euros per person (2 person minimum) for a Da Vinci Code tour that lasts 2.5 hours and isn%26#39;t comprehensive.




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Michael Osman (the Michael referred to in the first reply) charged me 75 Euros for the full day (plus I paid for his lunch %26amp; coffee stops - my choice and not at an expensive place %26amp; you cover your own metro fares and entry fees). He will have increased his charges in the last two years but I am sure the charges will still be reasonable.




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Is Michael Osman still doing tours, his e-mail address is not active now, it was a few weeks ago.




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We hired an American woman named Barbara that was excellent for the Louvre and simply walking around Paris for all the sites. She can be reached at bpj0000@yahoo.com.



As for Versailles, we took a bike tour. I don%26#39;t know if you%26#39;re physically limited but we absolutely loved it. The company was called Fat Tire Tours. They have a website. It includes the bike, 2 guides, train fare, and entry. You also stop at the outdoor markets for picnic supplies (wine, cheese, sandwiches of your choosing). Half way through, the group picnics on the great lawn at the end of the pool. Very memorable as long as the weather is good.




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If you click on the email link on the home page on Michael Osman%26#39;s website





http://www.geocities.com/parisfinder/





It comes up with a page that says the page %26quot;was not found%26quot; but if you click on the links to his email on the individual tours pages this does not happen. Try emailing him through your regular email account on parisfind@aol.com as it might just be a problem with his website. He is well known for being slow to reply to emails if he is busy so unless your emails have bounced back, it might just be that he has been busy




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Paris Pass

Hi all, thinking of taking my wife to Paris at the end of August and have a few questions:





Going to use my H/Honours points to stay at the Paris Hilton and wanted to know if anyone can recommend any nice traditional French restaurants locally we can go to on the first night we arrive?





Looking at staying for a couple of days and have just been looking at the Paris pass (2 days 79 euros) - has anyone used this and is it worth the money?





On the second night it%26#39;s our wedding anniversary and i would really like to take my wife to a romantic restaurant for a special meal - does anyone have any recommendations?








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Hi,





Just a thought (and may be a bit too touristy) but had you thought about taking your wife for an evening Seine cruise and meal for your anniversary? Thought you could sightsee from a different angle, eat, drink and watch the lovre, notre damn and eiffle tower pass you by!





If you%26#39;d like to look into this idea more, TA members will be able to recommend





For the Seine cruise with dinner have a look at:



www.bateauxmouches.com





If you don%26#39;t fancy that theres a search for all different types of foods/locations etc at:



http://en.parisinfo.com/paris-restaurants/





Hope this helps! Have a great trip!





Joanne




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what kind of Paris pass are you talking about, museum or metro/bus ?



About your first night restaurant, i have an address but you have to check if they are open, because they usually are closed in august :



http://lacuisine.lesrestos.com



About a romantic restaurant, well you will get a lot of addresses from TA%26#39;users.



I have one, just have a look



www.villapereire.com




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Hi gh0strider,



I too am going on the same weekend to Paris as it is our 1st year aniversary.



When I read your post, i thought that is exactly what i was going to ask.



we are staying at the Hilton Paris La Defense and flying to Paris via BA.




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Don't USE Vacation in Paris!!

HI, I was the one with lots of problems with Vacation in Paris. Our original flat was horrendously dirty (read my previous posts if you want details) and when we insisted on chanding, they told us they would charge extra (50 USD) and now we have over 200 dollars on our credit card from them. We are now contesting the charges with our credit card company.





They were rude, didn%26#39;t answer emails on time and had the worst onsite guy that I had ever encountered. They also left us for one day (and you travellers know that one day is a lot on a vacation) waiting around for them to do something about our apartment with our luggage in hand.





I highly recommend against using them.




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Which apartment did you rent? We have already book with Vacation in Paris and we are very nervous. Did they tell you they wanted to mail the apartment key to you before leaving on your trip. We asked that the agent or owner meet us at the apartment to give us the key.






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I think it%26#39;s very important to know which apartment it was, as my understanding is that the owners themselves are responsible for cleaning, etc. In other words, other than problems about the agency%26#39;s responsiveness, the basic issue (cleanliness of the apartment) may be down to the owner and not the agency (although, of course, they need to take appropriate steps when notified that owners have not done what is necessary in that regard).





I have stayed in a Vacation in Paris flat (near the Musee d%26#39;Orsay) and liked it a great deal. For the most part, they get also great reviews and have a lot of enthusiastic fans on this site. I don%26#39;t necessarily think that the obviously unfortunate and unsatisfactory experience you have recounted is enough for everyone to avoid them.





Also, I%26#39;m not clear why you have posted about this subject again - has there been some further issue, which you feel shoudl be mentioned by way of an update?




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Sorry, I just realized that this post actually is quite out of date.




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1st time going to Paris

We are a group of 6 ladies traveling to Paris in mid march, we will be on our own for 2 days till we hook up with a trafgalar tour that will take us to the Provence region. We want to see the Eiffle tower, go out to Versailles spend maybe 3 hours any good suggestions on how to get there will be helpful. Some of the shopping areas to buy perfume, soaps, wine, cookware all the frivolous things. Two of us have traveled to Europe 4 times before so the metro is nothing new but the other 4 have not, any one have some suggestions for our 1st time in Paris.




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Hi,





You can catch the RER train that will take you out to Versailles. A few hours is definately enough to see what you want to see there. If you haven%26#39;t been to Paris before then I would suggest that there are better things to do than Versailles - e.g. Louvre, Musee D%26#39;Orsay, Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, stoll down the Champs d%26#39;Elysses to Place de la Concorde and into the Tuillerie Gardens which eventually lead into the Lourve, Notre Dame, Latin Quarter, sample some of the lovely coffee shops, take a stroll along the Seine etc...







Re: Shopping - for all you want try Galleries La Fayette or Primtemps on Hausmann (they%26#39;re beside each other) - these department stores have everything you are looking for clothes, shoes, toys, house wares, etc... I personally prefer Printemps. They%26#39;re department stores so will be a bit more expensive but you can get a visitor%26#39;s card at the information desk which entitles you to 10% off certain items. There is a really lovely food area in the basement of Printemps that you might want to check out!





The Eiffel Tower shouldn%26#39;t be too crowded in March. Just get there early to avoid any Qs.





and...enjoy Paris! It really is fab!




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Perhaps you could buy a good guidebook ( Rick Steve%26#39;s Paris OR Frommers) and review all the tourist possibilities. In addition, visit your library, a bookstore, or a video store to check out items with a Paris topic.



Some places in Paris that I suggest researching beforehand are the Arc de Triomphe, the Champs-Elysees Ave., the Seine River, Notre Dame Cathedral, Sacre-Coeur Church, Montmartre, and the Louvre Museum, and of course the Eiffel Tower. Two days will definitely be a brief visit , but if you plan wisely, you will see a lot of the main tourist attractions.





Have a wonderful trip!




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Have fun in Paris!



To add to glamgirl2007, you can try Lafayette Gourmet at 40 boulevard Saint-Germain on the 2nd floor (premier etage in France)for some gourmet items and chocolates. Also, La Grande Epicerie at 38 rue de Sevres and find goodies from the four corners of the world. It is a feast for %26quot;les yeux%26quot;.



For a good overview, how about a cruise on the Bateaux Mouches? It is a good way to see most of the Paris monuments. Then, a hot chocolate drink at Angelina%26#39;s, 226 rue de Rivoli (not too far from the Louvre).



A place to enjoy coffee is Les Deux Magots, 170 boulevard Saint-Germain. It is right across from the Church of Saint Germain. It is a good place to people watch. So popular for tourists and Parisians alike. If you like Gregorian musice, there is a 10-am Gregorian mass at Notre Dame every Sunday and Holydays.



Don%26#39;t worry if you don%26#39;t see everything you like. Two days is not long enough to experience all of Paris. I%26#39;ve lived in Paris with my family for several years and still missed a lot.



Good luck and bon voyage!




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First time in Paris sept 6-14 mother adult daughter trip

Hi! My daughter is 25 and I am taking her to Paris sept 6 for 7 days. We have never been to Paris but need HELP to know what we should see do where to eat ect. We want to go to the louve, the Eiffel tower, maybe moulan rouge a dinner cruise and maybe a bike trip to versilles? Please advise us as we need your help to make our trip very special. Thanks so much!




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Did this type trip w/ my then 27 yr. old daughter. We were there 51/2 days. Eiffel tower was 1st. stop. Used Hop on hop off bus for transportation and sightseeing 2 days. Stayed in the 7th. Our favorites- Musee Marmottan(in 16th,walk through a park), Musee Rodin(ate at the cafe in the garden), Musee D%26#39;orsay(ate at snack bar thing)., Musee Jacquemart -Andre(hear their cafe is good) We ate Asian takeout in room 1 night,2 lovely meals in cafe,bakery stuff each morning. We did the Louvre in the evening maybe 6-9pm and that was enough. Took train to Versaille,spent 1/2 day there.



If you will ask more specific questions we can better assist you. Also read the Sticky at beginning of Paris Forum that says %26quot;read this first...%26quot; The experts have gather tons of info in one place.



Have a wonderful time. I am going again in Oct w/ 3 gal friends this time




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Hi! We just did a trip for a week with our teenagers... we did the Fat Tire Bike Tour of Versailles. It was awesome!!! I highly recommend it and also booking in advance... they definitely sell out and with you going in September, I would book a day now. http://www.fattirebiketoursparis.com/





The Louvre is awesome!!! It is my favorite... and we went there twice, actually... We went to the Tour Eiffel but did not go up... We also did the Catacombs. That was very interesting...





I would get a good guide book if you don%26#39;t already have one. I prefer the DK Eyewitness Guide to Paris because there are great pictures. Also... I would get a Streetwise Map for Paris... available in the travel section of Barnes and Noble... or online or Borders... It is an amazing map. I use them everywhere.





You will have so much fun in Paris. It is my favorite city. A week isn%26#39;t even long enough for me... but try to go for at least a week. You will NOT run out of things to do or see. I promise you that. You could spend a day just wandering around the neighborhood of Montmartre... (where the Moulin Rouge is) It is the most charming neighborhood.





If not a dinner cruise... take the river boats... we prefer the Vedettes du Pont Neuf http://www.vedettesdupontneuf.com/ They even have coupons you can print out at home and take with you. Nice savings...





And for dinner we love La Relais d%26#39;Entrecote (I believe it is spelled that way) Great Steak and Fries... that is ALL they have there. You sit down... they come and ask you how you like your steak, and that is that. It is de-lish!!! It is in St.Germain area on Rue St. Benoit. Right off of Blvd. St. Germain... very good! Even our friends that live there love this place. Other than that.... eat BREAD!!!! I miss the bread so much!!! And the pain au chocolate!!!





Have a great time!!!!




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I agree that a guidebook would be a good thing. Why not get two (different), each take one, and each flag one thing for each day that you feel you really want to do/see. Then you can compare (you are bound to have some of the same answers), figure out which are near each other, and plan your itinerary from that!




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